Thema: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

Case in point. This guy is injured in one screen, but uninjured in the other: Nicolás Belloc

it's a known problem, he probably has 0-0.5 days of injury left

Yeh we play game 15y and someone decides to destroy everything with stupid international games that's do not have any prestige
Is ridiculously.
Game need to have one goal willing CL
Why I should win internal competition and then to sacrifice the international
It's just dose not make any sense

You will spend resources to do something that will destroy again the economy


Game is super cool it needs just bug fixes and slightly changes...

It should just show up correctly in the squad.
To avoid confusion.

I know it should, just saying it's also known issue

Im not sure what is your proposal. You have a problem that people cant train 16yo in games and pkay for results

nope, I have problem following your logic, because you wanted people to play for results and be competitive, while you try to make it harder for people to train and play

So top teams will play for results, get incomes, and in the same time train effectively young players - no matter if only for sale or for future - how in that reality new player can reach old users? Game need balance, tou need to sacrife something and make some choices.

so you want to keep the same model, people making lots of money, then spending those money for 2-5 seasons, then again going back to making money and training... while in smaller/weaker nations top teams will comfortably train in their league games
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- youth acadamy system (fixing problem with useless old junior, new ptions, club facilities to build etc.)
- form system (allow you somehow to affect players form increasing / decreasing, of course it will stay a bit random still)
- competitions reform - introduce international cup with group stage for everyone. To keep 3 games per week model national cup would be converted in true play offs - after you get eliminated there will be no chance for friendly in that day)
- skills reform - extending (or rescalling) to 20 skills model & maybe some other ideas to avoid multidevine players.

The youth system could use a rework to merge youth players with U21 players. Let those players train and play for results on their level. You want to stimulate people to play for results. Then the system should stimulate people to play for results too.

As for form...it's a big problem, but it's a problem for everybody. I like mausers proposition to work around a system that prevents players to park on low (or high) form for long.

Competition reform can wait imo. It was just reformed and still has an impact. Let it stay like this for some more seasons, so people are better adjusted to the pace of the game.

Now Skills reform, I have one big question. How will you implement extra skill levels within the ME?
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@Raul, any chance you are considering any kind of merge for small countries or there is no hope for that any time soon?

+1
Create new U21 teams which would consist of U21 players and juniors.
Older juniors needs to be better than today (higher entry/exit cap for older juniors)
Upgrade junior leagues into U21 leagues.
Together 10 advanced training places for both A team and U21 team.

More competitive, more fun, more balanced game.

That's actually an interesting idea. A lot of issues with the game currently arise because of Training VS Competition. If you take the training aspect away from the competition, you should end up with more competitive leagues and end this nonsense of people forfeiting promotion and cups in order to make training easier.

Lots of the problems arise from the training based on minutes combined with a huge level gap betwen u21 players and A team. It results into users forfeiting games, playing corner tactics or playing one league match with very weak team and another one with much better players. All of this is harming not just their game experience, but also the one of their opponents and other teams in their league.

I think that this all is too big price for the purpose Devs originally intended. (as Raul said: "you need to sacrify something and make some choices.... so new players can reach old users")

The only way to make this game more competitive is to take training 100% away from league matches indeed.

This should be the thing the devs fokus on first.
It was told 100 times the game will be more competitive, but it is not,.
Even the opposite happened, it is harder than ever.
For the 1st time in many, many, many years I will relegate on purpose in the coming season, otherwise I will be left without money in the future.
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I proposed it already months ago. But as you see, Raul wrote that he doesnt want this - on one hand he wants teams to be competitive, on other hand he wants people to be either able to train or to play for results :-) he wants teams at the top to change regularly (Obviously it mostly concerns Poland and other biggest countries)

The link between training and competitive matches must remain. It corresponds to reality: players develop by getting match practice. And the match practice in the U-21 league is different to that of the first team. The higher the teams play, the more difficult it is to integrate talented players and give youngsters a chance.
The coach has to decide: more development for young players or a stronger team on the pitch. He has to make this decision in reality and also here at Sokker it should be made.

Moreover, this is the only chance for small clubs to make money and gradually catch up with the big clubs: they train the players that the big clubs need and pay dearly for. If this opportunity is not there, the big clubs will train their players themselves - and at a level that the small clubs cannot afford.

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Of course it is nice to have more teams in top, but dont shout that the game will be more competitive, because that is absolute nonsense and totally not true.
Newcomers need to know the truth, which is a game that is 10% competitive only, for the other 90% it is training with corner tactics and finding hapiness at transfer list.
Sorry, we are working to even 95% now.
Dont want to be negative, but it hurts to see my biggest hobby going into a non competive game.

No, in reality youngsters are near the older players, sometimes they even reach the same skilks.
In sokker there is no chance that a 19y old can compete with a 29y old 1st team player.
You will see after reaching highest divisions.
In the Netherlands it will be the difference between 3e klasse amateurs and Eredivisie to make it more clear for you, totally nonsense that will never happen in real life, accept in cup ;)
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