Thema: Looking for advice to kick on

Ive been in the game for 4 seasons now. Im walking my division each season. My problem now is im losing money each week as i have 2 formidable coaches and 12 space youth system. I see my choices as either cut back on my coaches and youth to run a profit but then I sacrifice my current players improving as much and producing a new talent through my youth. Or secondly selling my best players to cover the losses and investing in my ground to build seats to maximise profit and rely on good youth players coming through each season. I always get stuffed in the play offs so I promotion is a long way off (lost last seaon 10-0).
Thanks guys for any advice you can offer

We could do with a quide on how div 4 teams can be good enougth for div 3... Now I am no expert as I have only been playing around 4 years here.

Coaches, The level (ie formidible) is not important its what you train that is. They should only be unearthly in what you train. If you train strikers they need unearthly in pace, tech, striking. Assistant should always number 3 and be either good to very good general App level.

The coach determines the make up of your team at this level. So I would say what do you train and why?

Next if you don`t need to train all your players get some cheaper older dudes in to get the team ready for div 3.

You will need Excellent to formid keeper.
Defenders who have very good pace and very good tackling for starters.
Mids who have very good - excellent pace , very good passing and playmaking
strikers who are outstanding at least in pace with excellent at least tech and very good shooting.

This is just a few ramblings but before we can discuss coaches we need to know what you train and why!

The stadium, needs seats along the sides (not corners) and terraces just waste body count as they fill up and don`t pay you much.
(Edith war hier)

long term your source of cash is training

It is important/nice to train a core of good players to very high levels as you (hopefully) rise to a higher level. But it is also a source of money as you sell off whose don't quite make the grade. This will fund the improvements to non trainee positions or stadium upgrades. Important that early training profit is recycled into new trainees though - the real spending money arrives when you sell off a part trained player you no longer want and replace him with a youth pull for free

At the moment im training defence as i have 3 young defenders plus a defender who i got during the old youth system who was popping every 2.5 weeks.

Hiya, i hope you are still not too downbeat *hint* *hint* :)

Advice given so far is very good. I agree with Truffs' skills for players and coaches breaking in to III they were around what i had and i did OK.

It is important to learn that you can have a sustainable and prospectful club when you make a loss every two weeks as long as it is not too much and can be generally offset with away friendlies and a little bit with the new season money. If you use the remainder to improve your stadium every couple of seasons or so which will enable you to make more money fortnightly and afford better coaches.

I see you have only 14 players. You need at least 16 (if not training keeper) if you intend to maximise your training, and ideally you want all these players to be under 25 (say 20-25 for first teamers and 16-19 for trainees as a very rough guide).

As Vancian says the other positions you can go for older players as you will get more bang for your buck.

I would sell off your better, older players to generate about £300k to spend on improving your stadium. You'll weaken in the short term, but you'll never catch up until you can earn enough fortnightly from ticket sales as you shouldn't be losing too money fortnightly currently with the set up you have.

Bit of a thread hijack, but I have 3 v.good assistants and this guy:

Krystian Dittman, age: 70
wage: 15 945 £
club: Skylarks F.C, country: Polska
outstanding coach

Training effectiveness:
unsatisfactory of stamina average of keeper
unearthly of pace unearthly of defender
incredible of technique incredible of playmaker
unearthly of passing unearthly of striker


The three assistants add up to 10k in wages, so this guy bumps it up to 26k a week. Is it worth only pushing negligible profits to slight losses fornightly, or is this overkill for me and I should search for an unearthly paced coach with weakened secondaries?

Fortnightly Figures:

Total (Player and coach wages) - 79650
Other costs - 15400

TOTAL EXPENDITURE - 87350

Sponsor Income - ~60000
Fan Club - ~1500
League Matches (full stadia) - 22500
Friendlies - ~14000

TOTAL INCOME - 98000

Fortnightly Income - 10650.

Also, this week I have no more games, and next week I have no money earnt whatsoever.

So, you make a profit fortnightly? No youth school presumably as without looking at your finances i would say you are punching above your weight with the coach for a IV team.

Sort of agree with DJ but the coach is not too bad, as coaches go. However he is not an ideal striker trainer or a defender trainer really. You are training strikers or defenders? Or pace on both?

I think the problem is the Nest. Get rid of the benches down the sides and get seats. Don`t worry about the corners get the SAS (Seats along the sides). The people who visit the nest are not paying their way. I made a mistake with the corners don`t bother with them till you can seat and roof them and forget about them again.

Can you survive for the end of season money?
(Edith war hier)

Your main priority has to be getting 10 proper trainees
You can't possibly have a decent long term income if you are only doing 1/2 the training you could.

Ignore all else for the moment - sell other players to fund it if necessary. Just make sure you are playing 2 games a week with 5 useful trainees in each.

You probably will need to train pace and defence primarily if you intend to stick to training defenders. But don't ignore secondaries - tragic passing, for instance, is a liability.

I believe I can survive, I may need to sell someone. It costs me 77k a pop to turn my benches into seats.


@DJ
Of course I shut my youth squad, it's why I bought the coach.
What I'm doing is training pace for quite a bit, so I am hoping from randoms from my players - very good to excellent defender, and excellent to formidi strikers. I believe that should at least avoid auto-relegation in III after I eventually promote next season or so.

Welll for a thread hijacker you are doing fine then go for it!

Certainly need more players if you are training defenders - you can train 10 of them. Vancian is right on the money there and I would follow his advice.

However we don`t know about the coach situation. Make sure the coach is unearthly in at least the skill being trained and also as close to unearthly in the core defender skills.
(Edith war hier)

Ok thanks for this help guys.

So im going to train defence. What qualities do i need in my coach apart from defence unearthly.

Should i keep my youth coach as balanced or should i have him the same as my main and training defence also?

Also, i realise i need more youths. I have 12 in the pipeline but this is my 1st season with a big youth setup so i just have to wait for them to filter through